#686: Dustin Moskovitz, Co-Founder of Asana and Facebook — Energy Management, Coaching for Endurance, No Meeting Wednesdays, Understanding the Real Risks of AI, Embracing Frictionless Work with AI, The Value of Holding Stories Loosely, and More

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Dustin Moskovitz (@moskov) is co-founder and CEO
at Asana, a leading work-management platform for teams. Asana’s
mission is to help humanity thrive by enabling all teams to work
together effortlessly. Prior to Asana, he co-founded Facebook and
was a key leader within the technical staff, first in the
position of CTO and then later as VP of Engineering. Dustin
attended Harvard University as an economics major for two years
before moving to Palo Alto, California, to work full time at
Facebook.


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[08:17] The Back Buddy.


[12:38] A user’s guide to Dustin.


[15:49] Coaching for endurance.


[18:43] Making quicker decisions.


[20:45] Avoiding paradox of choice.


[23:20] Difficult but desirable delegation.


[25:08] The time-saving spreadsheet.


[29:12] No Meeting Wednesdays.


[33:34] Weekly architecture.


[35:33] Why Dustin prefers in-person meetings.


[36:55] The 15 Commitments to Conscious Leadership.


[40:55] Working with Diana Chapman.


[45:10] Clearing conversations.


[48:09] Nonviolent Communication.


[49:43] Feel your feelings.


[51:10] The Beginning of Infinity.


[53:50] Effective altruism.


[1:00:43] On being directionally vegetarian.


[1:02:32] Funding future pandemic preparation.


[1:07:33] AI risks and Yuddites.


[1:13:43] Most promising avenues of AI defense.


[1:17:19] Incentivizing AI safety compliance.


[1:19:12] Further AI threats.


[1:23:21] What the AI-amplified decade ahead might look like.


[1:28:59] Asana’s forthcoming AI integrations.


[1:37:04] Blocking personal time.


[1:40:41] Recommended reading.


[1:43:14] Dustin’s billboard.


[1:47:46] Parting thoughts.


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