#743: Dr. Jane Goodall and Cal Fussman

This episode is a two-for-one, and that’s because the podcast
recently hit its 10-year anniversary and passed one billion
downloads. To celebrate, I’ve curated some of the best of the
best—some of my favorites—from more than 700 episodes over the
last decade. I could not be more excited. The episode features
segments from episode #421 "Dr. Jane Goodall — The
Legend, The Lessons, The Hope" and episode #145
"The Interview Master: Cal Fussman and the Power of
Listening."


Please enjoy!


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Timestamps:


[00:00] Start


[04:48] Notes about this supercombo format.


[05:51] Enter Dr. Jane Goodall.


[06:19] Connecting with Louis Leakey and becoming his secretary.


[09:43] Gaining acceptance among chimpanzees.


[13:09] Primate personalities, compassion, and the story of Old
Man saving Marc Cusano.


[17:34] Observations of chimpanzee compassion and violence, and
inferences about human nature.


[19:19] Explaining variance in chimpanzee attitudes toward
dominance.


[20:55] Cultivating hope to overcome apathy.


[26:19] Mr. H, Gary Haun, the indomitable human spirit, and
overcoming adversity.


[29:37] Dr. Goodall's billboard.


[31:20] Enter Cal Fussman.


[32:56] Quincy Jones' unique book signing practice.


[34:19] Cal's pivotal childhood moment.


[38:55] Deconstructing the skill of asking great questions.


[42:43] Contrasting interview styles from different life stages.


[48:25] University of Missouri Journalism's role in Cal's career.


[52:24] Drinking with Hunter S. Thompson and Johnny Depp.


[55:45] Cal's start in international travel (and my family trip
to Iceland).


[1:06:34] How a single question got Cal six months of lodging.


[1:14:45] Common mistakes and lessons learned about the art of
asking questions.


[1:23:30] Honing the ability to tell stories.


[1:27:11] A life-changing event at the end of Cal's travels.


[1:31:43] Perfecting the conversational interview.


[1:33:43] Speaking at Summit at Sea.


[1:46:15] What Mikhail Gorbachev taught Cal about the art of the
interview.


[1:55:45] Boxing Julio César Chávez.


[2:30:31] Why Alex Banayan and George Foreman define success for
Cal.


[2:42:58] Most gifted books.


[2:49:47] Favorite documentaries and movies.


[2:55:37] Cal's billboard.


[2:56:08] Advice to Cal's 30-year-old self.


[2:59:05] Overcoming writer's block with Harry Crews' advice.


[3:18:56] Parting thoughts.


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Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh
Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin
Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew
McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth
Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah
Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine
Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary
Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael
Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold
Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria
Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de
Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly
Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard
Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael
Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan
Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit
Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim
Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval
Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth
Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard
Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid
Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick
Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren
Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter
Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah
Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.


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