Our sustainability strategists Stephen Byrd and Tim Chan discuss
what’s driving new opportunities across the global nuclear power
sector and some risks investors should keep in mind.
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Stephen Byrd: Welcome to Thoughts on the
Market. I'm Steven Byrd, Morgan Stanley's Global Head of
Sustainability Research.
Tim Chan: And I'm Tim Chan, Asia Pacific
Head of Sustainability Research.
Stephen Byrd: And on this episode of the
podcast, we'll discuss some significant developments in the
nuclear power generation space with long term implications for
global markets.
It’s Monday, July 29th at 8am in New York.
Tim Chan: And 8 pm in Hong Kong.
Stephen Byrd: Nuclear power remains divisive,
but it is making a comeback.
So, Tim, let's set the scene here. What's really driving this
resurgence of interest in nuclear power generation?
Tim Chan: One key moment was the COP28
conference last year. Over 20 countries, including the US,
Canada, and France, signed a joint declaration to triple nuclear
capacity by 2050. Right now, the world has about 390 gigawatts of
nuclear capacity providing 10 per cent of global electricity. It
took 70 years to bring global nuclear capacity to 390 gigawatts.
And now the COP28 target promises to build another 740 gigawatts
in less than 30 years.
And if this remarkable nuclear journey is going to be achieved,
that will require financing and also shorter construction time.
Stephen Byrd: So, Tim, how do you size the
market opportunity on a global scale over the next five to ten
years?
Tim Chan: We estimate that nuclear
renaissance will be worth $ 1.5 trillion (USD) through 2050, in
the form of capital investment in new global nuclear capacity.
And the growth globally will be led by China and the US. China
will also lead in the investment in nuclear, followed by the US
and the EU. In addition, this new capacity will need $128 billion
(USD) annually to maintain.
Stephen Byrd: Well, Tim, those are some
gigantic numbers, $1.5 trillion (USD) and essentially a doubling
of nuclear capacity by 2050. I want to dig into China a bit and
if you could just speak to how big of a role China is going to
play in this.
Tim Chan: In China, by 2060, nuclear is
likely to account for roughly 80 per cent of the total power
generation, according to the China Nuclear Association. This
figure represents half of the global nuclear capacity in similar
stages, which amounts to 520 gigawatts.
And Stephen, can you tell us more about the US?
Stephen Byrd: Sure, during COP 28, the US
joined a multinational declaration to triple nuclear power
capacity by 2050. In this past year, the US has seen the
completion of a new nuclear power plant in Georgia, which is the
first new reactor built in the United States in over 30 years.
Now, beyond this, we have not seen a strong pipeline in the US on
large scale nuclear plants, according to the World Nuclear
Association. And for the US to triple its nuclear capacity from
about 100 gigawatts currently, the nation would need to build
about 200 gigawatts more capacity to meet the target.
In our nuclear renaissance scenario, we assume only 50 gigawatts
will be built, considering a couple of factors. So, first, clean
energy options, such as wind and solar are becoming more viable;
they're dropping in cost. And also, for new nuclear in the United
States, we've seen significant construction delays and cost
overruns for the large-scale nuclear plants. Now that said, there
is still upside if we're able to meet the target in the US.
And I think that's going to depend heavily on the development of
small modular reactors or SMRs. I am optimistic about SMRs in the
longer term. They're modular, as the name says. They're easier to
design, easier to construct, and easier to install. So, I do
think we could see some upside surprises later this decade and
into the next decade.
Tim Chan: And nuclear offers a unique
opportunity to power Generative AI, which is accounting for a
growing share of energy needs.
Stephen Byrd: So, Tim, I was wondering how
long it was going to take before we began to talk about AI.
Nuclear power generators do have a unique opportunity to provide
power to data centers that are located on site, and those plants
can provide consistent, uninterrupted power, potentially without
external connections to the grid. In the US, we believe
supercomputers, which are essentially extremely large data
centers used primarily for GenAI training, will be built behind
the fence at one or more nuclear power plants in the US. Now
these supercomputers are absolutely massive. They could use the
power, potentially, of multiple nuclear power plants.
Now just let that sink in. These supercomputers could cost tens
of billions of dollars, possibly even $100 billion plus. And they
will bring to bear unprecedented compute power in developing
future Large Language Models.
So, Tim, where does regulation factor into the resurgence of
nuclear power or the lack of resurgence?
Tim Chan: So, for the regulation, we focus
a lot on the framework to provide financing: subsidies,
sustainable finance taxonomies and also from the bond investor;
although we note that taxonomies are still developing to offer
dedicated support to nuclear.
We expect nuclear financing under green bonds will become
increasingly common and accepted. However, exclusion on nuclear
still exists.
Stephen Byrd: So finally, Tim, what are
some of the key risks and constraints for nuclear development?
Tim Chan: I would highlight three risks.
Construction time, shortage of labor, and uranium constraint.
These remain the key risks for nuclear projects to bring value
creation.
US and Europe had high profile delay in the past, which led to
massive cost overrun. We are also watching the impacts of
shortage of skilled labor, which is more likely in the developed
markets versus emerging markets. And the supply of enriched
uranium, which is mainly dominated by Russia.
Stephen Byrd: Well, that's interesting,
Tim. There are clearly some risks that could derail or slow down
this nuclear renaissance. Tim, thanks for taking the time to
talk.
Tim Chan: Great speaking with you, Stephen.
Stephen Byrd: And thanks for listening. If
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