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Harris Irfan, CEO Cordoba Capital Markets & Advisor at
@OnrampMENA joins me to discuss challenges and opportunities
within Islamic finance, ethics of finance in business and the
intersection of Islamic finance and Bitcoin. Harris highlights
building a financial system focused on real economy transactions,
sharing insights on finance, custody, and Bitcoin
investment. 

Summary

In this conversation, Harris Irfan discusses his journey from
conventional finance to Islamic finance and Bitcoin. He explores
the challenges and opportunities within Islamic finance,
particularly in relation to ethical finance and risk-sharing
principles. The discussion delves into the intersection of
Islamic finance and Bitcoin, highlighting the potential for
Bitcoin to serve as a sound monetary system that aligns with
Islamic principles. Harris emphasizes the importance of creating
a financial system that prioritizes real economy transactions
over speculative practices, and he shares insights on the future
of finance, custody, and investment decisions in a Bitcoin
standard.

Takeaways

Harris Irfan transitioned from conventional finance to
Islamic finance and Bitcoin.

Islamic finance emphasizes ethical finance and risk-sharing
principles.

Bitcoin is viewed as a modern form of sound money,
potentially more Islamic than gold.

The challenges of Islamic finance are exacerbated by the fiat
banking system.

Custody solutions for Bitcoin are evolving, with a focus on
self-custody.

Cultural perspectives on money influence the adoption of
Bitcoin in Muslim communities.

Trade finance can be structured to align incentives between
investors and businesses.

The VC industry may need to adapt to a sound money standard.

Hurdle rates for investments will change in a Bitcoin
economy.

Optimism about the future of Bitcoin is essential for its
growth.

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Intro 

(01:04) - Harris’s background with finance & Islamic banking

(07:44) - Comparing Fiat banking with Islamic finance 

(12:06) - The intersection of Islamic finance and Bitcoin

(18:21) - Custodying Bitcoin - Individuals vs. Trusted custodians

(25:51) - What are misconceptions about Bitcoin among muslims?

(30:20) - What are the cultural differences when operating on a
Fiat Standard vs Sound Money Standard?

(33:27) - What does it mean to share risk in finance?

(39:12) - The viability of different financial models

(45:35) - What would finance look like in a Full Reserve Bitcoin
banking world?

(54:17) - How does one navigate with morality & ethics in the
current Fiat world?

(59:00) - Bitcoin compared to hurdle rates in investment
decisions

(1:02:11) - Outro

Includes Paid Partnerships

(16:04) - Sponsors

(38:11) - Sponsor

Links: 

https://x.com/harris_irfan 

https://www.ccmkts.com/

Sponsors:

Bold Bitcoin

CoinKite.com (code LIVERA)

mempool.space/accelerator 

Stephan Livera links:

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